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ACTUALLY Living Off Grid Would be Horrible: The Bug Out Wagon

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What will you put in your bug out covered wagon when the SHTF? In the western frontier caravans of wagons full of thousands of lbs of gear were used to make the journey across what is now known as the USA. Lets take a look at history to find out how the over romanticized concept of wilderness survival was viewed in the past.

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12 thoughts on “ACTUALLY Living Off Grid Would be Horrible: The Bug Out Wagon

  1. Yep. Agreed. Took my family out to nowhere…no electricity, no running water, etc. Pure wilderness. Still had to bring a ton of supplies, water, food, etc….while I could have eeked out for a few weeks by myself if I had to, my wife and kids were TOAST by day 4. Blazing heat in the day. Sunburns and windburns. Dropped down to freezing at night. Had to huddle together under multiple blankets. Even with hygiene supplies we still stank to high heaven. No substitute for a modern hot shower. Constantly covered in sweat, dirt, and God knows what else.

    It was brutal. Sick wife and two small kids…yikes. My daughter has body core temp regulating issues so she gets way hot in heat and way cold when the sun goes down. She broke fever level day 4 and was sick for two weeks after. My son faired better but he was exhausted. No energy to do anything major. My wife can only make such trips with a supply of modern medicines. As a partially disabled vet plagued with injuries and conditions guys way older than me have I also require prescription meds. I can go off mine for some time and be alright (as in not dying) but even then I could only imagine making it a year or two at best in those conditions using my hunting/trapping skills and knowledge. Godforbid to think, but my wife and at least one of my kids would be long dead at which point where’s the will to live any further?

    Yeah, long term wilderness survival, especially with family and others in tow, is a pipe dream. There’s a reason why humans always build civilizations. We aren’t constructed to hack it bear bones like the animals of the wilderness.

    1. Anytime people communicate a thought or idea there is an initial interpretation of what was just said by each side. In this case, we are watching a video and the discussion comes afterwords.

      Comparing Bugging Out with the westward migration in the Americas using covered wagons and all that is anomalous to begin with. The Westward migration was more akin to colonizing Mars than say bugging out. Right? It is an apples to oranges comparison. But you can ask, what can we learn from those early pioneers about surviving long treks into the wilderness. That is why I mentioned the California Mission systems. They could only bring so much with them. The rest depended on adopting local methods of agriculture, animal husbandry and so on in addition to the skills that they brought with them such as wine making, blacksmith, etc..

      But throughout history, there have been people who have had to “Bug out” to escape persecution, war, disease, or whatever. So how did those people survive fleeing into the unknown wilderness? What did they bring with them in addition to their skills and institutional knowledge? There are videos, books, and documentaries out there that discuss that very subject. Start by watching the story of Agfia right here on yourtube.

      Next, learn and practice bush craft skills. Get the Firefox series of books which describe in detail how our ancestors survived and thrived in isolated and remote areas with little outside support.

      I am a technologist and love using modern technology which has improved upon most things that we use on a day to day basis. I would much rather ride a motorcycle through the wilderness than ride a horse or drag a heavy ass monowalker behind me. But depending on what SHTF is all about, the horse might be the better smarter option.

      Our SHTF moment that pushes the extremes for long periods of time is most likely going to be war or the results of biological, chemical, or nuclear attack. The whole world as we know it will change in an instant. Millions and millions and millions of people will die almost immediately and in the aftermath. The rest will have to be cunning and adept at both the old and the new technologies in order to survive. It won’t be a picnic or a camp out in the wilderness and you may be constantly be on the run living more like a nomad than a settler.

      But here is something to think about also. There will be some people in some places on the planet who will be almost completely unaffected by any of this. And one thought that never escapes me is that even tho I am super healthy for a man my age, I am still old and no matter how much I exercise, or how many vitamins that I take, I am still not going to be the man I was at 30. So, maybe I should just find a beach somewhere and hang out until sunset.

    2. Barry Bueler Well I do live in the mountains….not by myself, though. 😉 I’m a “recluse” on a different level… 😉

    3. MountainRecluse you have to have other tribes to trade with that’s how NATIVES AMERICAN’S did it some would trade fish for buffalo fers and meat or trade wheat and grain for fish one tribe just wasn’t alone but there are tribes in Africa that can’t have no contact with the out side world because they are not used to other humans germs that could wipe out the whole village. There was a documentary on that they trade to still there clothes but the scientists had to stop them before they took there clothes back to there village and explain why

  2. 90% of the people will not survive now. they got to use too the way of life now mostly it is too much on their cell phones. can they live without the cell phones,! yes if the gird did go out to. use of cells and the internet will now work what would they do now yes they had plans on their cell phones but it will not work
    I am happy I might be ready for a little wait have food stored away and thing I need to live without any gird for a long-term I will fail their I do not know much how to kill or hunt for food I may survival if I trust people I will be with as to my knowledge of blacksmithing and woodworking trade for food and supplies

  3. Good points. the best being ‘ live food doesn’t spoil.’ in reality, established food systems are, by far, the best defense against starvation in an extended collapse

  4. When you’re talking about needing a community… the term that would clear up what you’re trying to say is “division of labor.” Meaning… you can’t do everything yourself, and it’s better to “trade” with people for mutual self interest, as well as helping your neighbors who are a value to you.

  5. My horse and wagon would be a pontoon house boat back in the swamps right here in South Carolina it gets cold enough here for me, y’all can keep the white nightmare ya’ll call snow ?

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